In this next podcast interview on The Bible and Beyond, Natalie Renee Perkins, M.Div., and Deborah Niederer Saxon, PhD, chat together about Natalie’s contemporary musical setting of some of the odes. Deb, a scholar of ancient Christian texts, explains the feminine imagery, the reference to Sophia (Wisdom), and the purpose of ancient hymns used by both Jews and Christians before they diverged. Natalie, a professional singer, writer, and composer plays some of them on the podcast.